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	<description>all about my work</description>
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		<title>By: Floogy</title>
		<link>http://amiworks.co.in/talk/a-case-for-crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-8610</link>
		<dc:creator>Floogy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 05:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speak your mind, your form label is telling me. So here goes.

First, I feel the need to avoid pointless responses by clearing up that child labour and slavery are two different things. When we speak of child labour that in no way hints at slavery; merely the option for a child to *willingly* enter the full-time workforce (which many, many would do) before, say, their mid-teens as regulated by most governments.

Read your own post again, and see how much of it cannot be copied and pasted to compose an argument of equal strength for legitimizing child labour. That&#039;s all that needs to be said. 

Supply and demand are neither judge nor jury, they are dispassionate market forces which must be kept in check. Alas, profit needs absolutely no encouragement to be prioritized over qualities of work and time (life). The profiteers will say to hell with the world for their own love of money, whether a major corporation dumping oil instead of recycling it, or the one lucky designer per project on 99designs, who have cost any number of peers dearly and directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speak your mind, your form label is telling me. So here goes.</p>
<p>First, I feel the need to avoid pointless responses by clearing up that child labour and slavery are two different things. When we speak of child labour that in no way hints at slavery; merely the option for a child to *willingly* enter the full-time workforce (which many, many would do) before, say, their mid-teens as regulated by most governments.</p>
<p>Read your own post again, and see how much of it cannot be copied and pasted to compose an argument of equal strength for legitimizing child labour. That&#8217;s all that needs to be said. </p>
<p>Supply and demand are neither judge nor jury, they are dispassionate market forces which must be kept in check. Alas, profit needs absolutely no encouragement to be prioritized over qualities of work and time (life). The profiteers will say to hell with the world for their own love of money, whether a major corporation dumping oil instead of recycling it, or the one lucky designer per project on 99designs, who have cost any number of peers dearly and directly.</p>
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		<title>By: zb-rider</title>
		<link>http://amiworks.co.in/talk/a-case-for-crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>zb-rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is fabulous. All the shitty clients and all the shitty designers can now find each other and quit bothering the rest of us.

And actually you inevitably devalue something by continually underpricing, i recommend a thesaurus or dictionary as well as the AIGA Ethics and Pricing Guidelines Manual. Unless you are a crap backyard designer in which case you will need none of these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fabulous. All the shitty clients and all the shitty designers can now find each other and quit bothering the rest of us.</p>
<p>And actually you inevitably devalue something by continually underpricing, i recommend a thesaurus or dictionary as well as the AIGA Ethics and Pricing Guidelines Manual. Unless you are a crap backyard designer in which case you will need none of these.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit Kumar Singh</title>
		<link>http://amiworks.co.in/talk/a-case-for-crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit Kumar Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liam, i agree that it could become a catch 22 situation as you described, and my feeling to this is that i am relying more on general human nature of trying to avoid difficult things(being lazy given a choice), going through 100&#039;s of entries just to get one logo or design is not an easy thing.  Anyways in general the contest holders on 99designs and other such sites are the agents(or middle person) who discuss things with clients and then they try to get the max out of these contest so that they can get some extra money.

My understanding is that once you become PRO you don&#039;t need these intermediaries between yourself and your client. As for &quot;de-valuing your trade&quot;, you devalue a trade by bringing bad name to it, not by charging less money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>liam, i agree that it could become a catch 22 situation as you described, and my feeling to this is that i am relying more on general human nature of trying to avoid difficult things(being lazy given a choice), going through 100&#8242;s of entries just to get one logo or design is not an easy thing.  Anyways in general the contest holders on 99designs and other such sites are the agents(or middle person) who discuss things with clients and then they try to get the max out of these contest so that they can get some extra money.</p>
<p>My understanding is that once you become PRO you don&#8217;t need these intermediaries between yourself and your client. As for &#8220;de-valuing your trade&#8221;, you devalue a trade by bringing bad name to it, not by charging less money.</p>
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		<title>By: liam</title>
		<link>http://amiworks.co.in/talk/a-case-for-crowdsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-430</link>
		<dc:creator>liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, and I completely agree with you, as I was in a similar situation.

However consider this...

You&#039;re working your way up to be a &quot;PRO&quot; - But lets say you get your big break and you&#039;re now ready to be out there on your own finding clients and being paid a decent price for your work. 

But you&#039;re finding it hard to find work, because the clients you are trying to work for are looking at 99designs and thinking - Yeah this guy is good, and he has experience. But I could put up a competition and get a lot of different entries, and I&#039;ll probably find one I like.

So yeah, in your situation it does sound good, but think of where it&#039;s going to leave you in the future. You&#039;re de-valuing your trade to get to a possition where you no longer need 99designs to get work/experience. But by the time you&#039;re at that point nobody wants to hear from you because they prefer to spend a lot less money on 99designs.

So it&#039;s a catch 22 situation, in the short term it seems like a fair thing as an individual. But in the long term of your career you might be turned down work because clients would rather look to 99designs for cheaper work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, and I completely agree with you, as I was in a similar situation.</p>
<p>However consider this&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re working your way up to be a &#8220;PRO&#8221; &#8211; But lets say you get your big break and you&#8217;re now ready to be out there on your own finding clients and being paid a decent price for your work. </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re finding it hard to find work, because the clients you are trying to work for are looking at 99designs and thinking &#8211; Yeah this guy is good, and he has experience. But I could put up a competition and get a lot of different entries, and I&#8217;ll probably find one I like.</p>
<p>So yeah, in your situation it does sound good, but think of where it&#8217;s going to leave you in the future. You&#8217;re de-valuing your trade to get to a possition where you no longer need 99designs to get work/experience. But by the time you&#8217;re at that point nobody wants to hear from you because they prefer to spend a lot less money on 99designs.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s a catch 22 situation, in the short term it seems like a fair thing as an individual. But in the long term of your career you might be turned down work because clients would rather look to 99designs for cheaper work.</p>
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